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Mr. Dialysis
Published by Al Young | Filed under Music
OK, the Birmingham music scene has become something close to my heart in recent months, and I hate to see the trie which we are capable of producing, in such stark contrast to our rich history. The white-man rap stylings of a certain Mr. Dialysis are my latest sufferances of our recent musical ineptitude. His MySpace doesn’t even attempt to hide his multitude of sins:
- BBC Interview? What the fuck. I suppose it makes a change from the cat-stuck-in-tree local headlines. He really comes over as an arsehole. ‘I’ve become a celebrity in Birmingham’ - what a twat.
- I also listened to some of the music (again, unfortunately) - ‘I can jump but I’m not a rope’ - there is no hope.
- He claims Regina Spektor as an influence. He’s trying too hard and doing it wrong.
- Ralph Waldo Emerson quotes. Wow, philosophy is fun when you’re doing it as a filler A-level with an empty head.
- ‘My ps3, 42″ tv, GHDs, iPhone and blowdryer are my favorite possesions.’ - that’s like £2000. I’m just jealous, OK?
- ‘I am a vegetarian’ - probably for fahsionable reasons. If you’re going to do it, do it right: become a vegan (I eat meat for fun, but I am becoming vegan for health reasons soon, so no hipocrisy)
- ‘I am a christian, which means I do believe in God.’ - no shit. It also means that you’re insecure in your existence.
- ‘I am a firm believer in the fact that HARBORNE, is the best place to live, ever.’ - he haz gud grammer.
- ‘I have 3 favorite smells, they are…. 1. Dettol. 2. Petrol. 3. Freshly tumbledried garms.’ - if I ever want to kill him, all I have to do is light a match. That is, if the dettol fumes don’t get to him first. Fashionista whore credentials are also ensured.
- ‘As I no longer eat meat, I have a new favorite food.
It used to be spagetti bolagniase but now, it is Tuna, Sweetcorn, Tomato and Basil pasta (with cheese).’ - PROOF THAT HE IS A SCENESTER TOOL! Other than his music, of course. The cheese also backs me up on the ‘do it properly’ veganism statement. Also, isn’t fish meat? - ‘Sounds Like: Nothing You Ever Heard Before.’ - again, his grammar is flawed; but more relevant is the fact that his music is painfully generic and overdone.
- ‘Lattés are officially the nicest hot drink. Diet coke is offically the nicest soft drink.
Water is officially the most healthy option drink. If you drink bleach you will die.’ - his little fame trip is even beginning to affect his perception of where his limits lie: he can ordain things officially? He has power? His actualisation about bleach is touching, however.
I know that I’m being pedantic, but that profile really got to me. He is no celebrity, local or otherwise.
Good rappers have intelligence: just look at Atmosphere.
February 12th, 2008
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February 12th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
that is so funny
i agree with all things..
i hate the way in his songs asif he’s from the ‘endz’
harborne? i think not love
atleast i got kicked out before i had to listen to him last night
x
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February 12th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
‘As I no longer eat meat, I have a new favorite food.
It used to be spagetti bolagniase but now, it is TUNA, Sweetcorn, Tomato and Basil pasta (with cheese).’
Does he classify tuna outside of meat then?
The dumb fuck.
February 13th, 2008 at 12:35 am
Ooh, I do hope this new direction for your blog will stick. It could be just what the live music environment needs in Birmingham to pierce a few egos and give people something to kick back against.
And when the really stupid bands discover your slagging that’s when it gets really entertaining. Witness:
http://peteashton.com/2005/11/gdfaf2_the_bleak_sweet_lilly_the_tates/
February 13th, 2008 at 5:26 am
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February 20th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
now i very much doubt that any of you lot can spit like he can, but if you can then well done.I also cant understand how u would have the time to write such comments you are obviously very bored,lack of creativity creates boredom and creativity is something that mr dialysis does not lack.
I hope you do something good in you life, go traveling or something do something to broaden your narrow little minds.
February 20th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Luke - I NEVER said that he lacks creativity, I just said that he really doesn’t do what he does well; and, in all honest: I wouldn’t like to ’spit’ like he does - I prefer the true arts.
Also, how on earth could my writing this not be indicative of creativity? Writing is a creative process, no?
The irony of you calling me ‘narrow minded’ here does not escape me either: here you are, acting as Ben Ryan’s lapdog; yet I am the small minded one? The acceptance of views other than your own is the definition of a truly open mind.
Genuine criticism and argument I welcome, name calling I don’t.
February 20th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
He claims Regina Spektor as an influence. He’s trying too hard and doing it wrong.
He’s allowed his own opinion.
Ralph Waldo Emerson quotes. Wow, philosophy is fun when you’re doing it as a filler A-level with an empty head.
He is allowed his own opinion.
‘My ps3, 42″ tv, GHDs, iPhone and blowdryer are my favorite possesions.’ - that’s like £2000. I’m just jealous, OK?
So why ruin your argument by putting in something as petty as this?
‘I am a vegetarian’ - probably for fahsionable reasons. If you’re going to do it, do it right: become a vegan (I eat meat for fun, but I am becoming vegan for health reasons soon, so no hipocrisy)
Exactly; probably. You cannot know. However, you also seem to be ordaining things. I’m sorry God, I had no idea you weren’t ‘doing it right’ unless you became a vegan. Hypocrite.
‘I am a christian, which means I do believe in God.’ - no shit. It also means that you’re insecure in your existence.
Hi, slag of other people’s beliefs. Now you’re so important you can state that God doesn’t exists can you?
Well, good for you. I hope the view of the inside of your arse is nice from there.
February 20th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
1) He is welcome to his own opinion, but I cannot see how his music is in any way influenced by Regina Spektor. Anti-folk has not been anywhere near his music, to my ears: I have no issue with him liking her music, however.
2) I don’t mind intelligent quoting; but that’s just there for extension of e-peen, by it’s situation and irrelevence.
3) The purpose of that was humour. Well done, you ruined it.
4) If you’re becoming vegetarian for ethical reasons, veganism is the only way to go: intensive milking can cause quite a deal of suffering to cows, for one example. Eating fish is also reasoning for my sincerity of this being doubted. He flaunts his vegetarianism as a lifestyle choice, in his approach to explaining it. I am not ordaining, I’m pointing out the inherent fallacies in his ‘piscetarianism’.
5) That was as much a statement of my material determinism, more than anything else. Also, for a little addition of humour.
February 20th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
i like reading these comments..
i agree with alex.. even though i have to look up 60% of the words he uses..
and tbh mr dialysis can’t spit.. its as simple as that.. the words dont flow and his accent is just repulsive, stick to wrist slittin love, leave the white boy rappin to plan B and devlin
February 20th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
im bored………… might go do something useful. byeeeee
February 20th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Luke - you’re bored? You must lack creativity.
February 24th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Haha touche comment 11.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Butter - who are you?
Just out of interest, of course.
February 25th, 2008 at 12:59 am
Thanks Al Young, for your most insightful look into my musical career/lifestyle.
Here is my response to your so called “critism”.
1. Yes, locally well known. When was the last time you were stopped in macdonalds asking if you were the SAME Al Green from starveinheaven.com? I joke. But come on, I am pretty well known and you can’t escape that fact.
2.”I can jump but i’m not a rope”? - I don’t ever recall writing that, it makes no sense. The lyric you’re actually looking for is… “you can joke that I’m not on road” making a statement that people take a play on theyre lifestyle from the block, ghetto, etc.
3. Regina Spektor is a big influence to me, lyrically. She is very deep and creative, where as you will find I am also, musically we are nothing alike, but who cares… besides you anyway.
4. This shows how narrow minded you are towards other peoples opinions and thoughts. As a “internet blogger” and self acclaimed creative writer surely part of your task is to keep an open mind towards your topics and not just slate things because you think you have supreme intelligence or stature?
5. work hard, you will reap the benefits.
6. “I am becoming a vegan for health reasons soon”, soon? Why not now? Its not like this kind of thing takes planning. I also dont eat meat for health reasons and for lifestyle choice. Fish isnt considered meat by more or less 95% of vegetarians, but thats besides the point. Good luck on your quest as a vegan, and when you say vegan, I hope you will be adhearing to the complete lifestyle change where you have to buy vegan shampoo, soap, get rid of all leather, vegan cleaning products, vegan chocolate, the list goes on…
7. Quite the opposite, I’m that sure of my exsistence that I pity you for being so weak and narrow minded to not accept other peoples beleifs.
8. I’m dyslexic, life goes on. But yes, Harborne is a great place to live.
9. This holds no point, dettol infact being a disinfectant that is no way harmful to the human body… only germs and bacteria on table tops and floors.
10. Cheese is scene? Does scene even exsist anymore? To be honest you lacked any grounding for a point by number 4.
11. Ok, I must ask… name me 3 artists that have music like mine?
12. Fame trip? Have you ever spoken to me? Bearing in mind I am one of the most down to earth people you will probably ever meet. But from your blog it surely states that you perceive yourself above me and more than likely anyone who sheds any arguement against what you have to say.
In conclusion, as was stated in the comments you are extremely narrow minded and consider yourself to be above and supreme to me in more or less everything, which I don’t really care about if im honest. Your points lack substance and this blog of yours was more of a bitchfest as opposed to something critical and interesting.
Thanks Al.
Yours,
Ben Ryan, aka Mr Dialysis.
February 25th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
1) I’d love to escape it though: celebrity is the worst disease with the most unfortunate vectors. And that actually happened once to me: but it was rather a let-down: you’re Al Young?
2) I apologise for the mishearing: maybe I was looking too hard for faults.
3) I agree with you about Regina Spektor: that woman can write. It’s just that the term ‘musical influences’ usually infers things other that lyrics (to me anyway).
4) I’m not trying to show a closed mind here: I just can’t see how that quote bares any relevance to the rest of your MySpace - it seems to be a status things more than anything else.
5) ‘work hard, reap the benefits’ - in our society, I don’t think it’s that simple: you have to be born into relative wealth to get anywhere. I’ll take your point though.
6) Soon because it’s a bet. Start date to end date. And yes, the intent is a full lifestyle change. I’m still a purist with the term ‘vegetarian’ ŧhough: but you have the right to identify with things as you wish.
7) I accept the beliefs, but don’t understand why people feel the need to associate with an organisations with such evil histories. Spirituality is fine, I have issues with religions due to their divisiveness and subjugatory effects.
9) I wrote Dettol fumes? Shit. Petrol was meant.
10) No, no: I meant that if you were vegetarian for moral reasons (which I assumed), cheese would also be an issue for you.
11) MC Lars, Atmosphere (to a degree) and Example (to a degree)
12) No doubt, but the BBC interview was a little self-fulfilling. I suppose there’s the person that you are, and the person when you rhyme. Business and art separation, I suppose.
Bitching is a sport of mine, yes; but I just enjoy pointing out little flaws, if only to ‘compensate for my own’.
I don’t think that I’m being narrow minded, but rather ‘focussed’ or ‘intent’. The point is to start thought, or argument as was the case here. Being a little bitchy tends to bring out opinions.
You’re supporting Example at the Barfly, right? I’ll be going, probably. I’ll buy you a pint and we can chat, yes?
I do have to say this though: I have a great deal of respect for you now. You express yourself well. Ha, I reckon that we’d get on.
March 14th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Serious Man. you go out your own way to chat about an artist like Mr D. serious you need to stop hatin on someone who has got talent. you sit that like some computer geek readin all through it an u have a reply to everything he says. how about focus on ure own website an doin what u do. stop hatin on another individual. cause who are you to hate. hes got fans an his tracks are big. your tryin to get fans from slaggin of other people how about sort out ya carrer options mate. an all the people commentin aswell go suck on cream eggs
March 15th, 2008 at 2:37 am
Grow some friggin’ balls “Al Young”, hell, if you’re chicken enough to post a blog about someone you hardly know, who knows if you’re man enough to post a blog including your real name.
I’ve not been to a gig done by Ben, but what I can say is what the fuck have you done that touches thousands of people each day (except for posting pointless blogs which bitch about people)? Ben makes music which is listened and viewed by people all over the UK, and it clearly touches them in some way because he continues to grow a wider fan base as ever day/week comes.
To be quite frank you’re just a jealous twat who obviously can’t face up to the facts that Ben has achieved his dreams, and clearly haven’t because you’re here bitching over his lyrics and throwing your toys out your pram over his success.
You go try write a song, I can almost guarantee that Ben spends nine times more time thinking up lyrics to songs than you do typing up retarded blogs like this.
Have you ever been on television before? No I don’t mean as a ‘extra’ or ’someone in the crowd’, i’m on about someone being interviewed, no? Didn’t think so, jealous twat comes to mind….
You’re saying “business and art separation” when it comes to the BBC interview. Ben clearly took the chance to go on the BBC to promote his music, wouldn’t you do that if you had talent and were offered the very same opportunity? If you wouldn’t then you don’t carry the ambition that allows you to become successful.
Anyway, i’ll leave you to post more blogs insulting people and knit-picking their faults, it seems to be what gets you off when most kids tend to prefer to go out and get laid, but whatever floats your boat man.
Dave.
March 15th, 2008 at 9:47 am
‘Anyway, i’ll leave you to post more blogs insulting people and knit-picking their faults, it seems to be what gets you off when most kids tend to prefer to go out and get laid, but whatever floats your boat man.’ - oh, you got me!
March 15th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Haha, that last comment made me laugh.
Dave, acknowledge the fact that Mr. Dialysis and Alex have already settled this argument and stop attacking him? I’m fairly certain that another reviewer will find a reason to criticise Ben Ryan; and it’s wrong to assume that they are just ‘jealous twats’ who aren’t well laid (y)
March 15th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
In terms of rapping, Mr Dialysis CANNOT rap, anyone who has seen his stage show can testify that the dude lacks stage presence and his performances are bland as fuck.
March 16th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
MR DIALYSIS IN YA EAR PEICE
i bet ‘al’ is a full on nerd
March 16th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
Again, I have been nailed by the unparallelled wit on show here.
March 16th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
it wasn’t supposed to be witty
unlike your pointless rant
and why do you give a shit about the guys grammer? seems like your struggling for grounds to criticise the geezer really
March 17th, 2008 at 12:38 am
Who ever wrote this is just hating because he isnt even half as good at bitching as Mr dialysis is at rapping, all this will on promote him more, so well done.
maybe you should listen to Night Is Fallin and think about what youve just written about him not being a good rapper. so die. and yeah, you have an awful amount of time please get a life.
March 17th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
1. BEN RYAN (Mr Dialysis) is a legend.
2. Al Young is a complete waster.
3. Mr D. can rap. Atleast his lyrics aren’t all about shanks and gats.
peace x
March 17th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
After listening to a lot of rap for a lot of years I found Mr Ds songs a nice break from the riff raff of todays ‘Ghetto Beatz’.
I have a lot of repspect for Mr Dialysis and what he said in reply to Al Youngs comments left Al Young in a difficult siuation as he realised he had been totally wrong in everything he said. Thus he tried to reverse the situation and befriend M D claiming they would get on… This is unlikely after he attempted (poorly) to discredit a young talent. Anyone who knows how hard it is to become a breakthrough act and do well will appreciate an artist who has tried hard and is doing well and frankly im disappointed in Al Youngs lack of vision and musical erudition.
I can conclude that Al Young has effectively been ‘merked’
March 18th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Al, do you not have anything better in your life other than to critisise others that you are most likely jealous of?
Oh and, before you correct ME on ME spelling and grammar, I know i’ve spelt critisise wrong, but fuck it. You don’t know me.
March 18th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
Plus, you look like a dirty greebo yourself. Get a hair cut.
March 18th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
You look like a common whore, honey.
March 22nd, 2008 at 5:57 pm
hi al young, i would happily destroy you.
if you don’t like someones music then there’s not much point in posting a ridiculously long blog about it and completely slating them. if you’re bored enough to post such a long winded blog then maybe start doing it on a topic where you can actually see both sides of an argument and actually take into consideration that your opinion is just what you think, and others are capable of making their own judgements over something.
its clear that mr dialysis is very well regarded and has lots of fans. you can see this just by glancing at his myspace.
and by glancing i mean looking at a few of the comments he gets praising him and what he does, i don’t mean looking at every little word he writes on there and picking a fault in it.
finally, if Regina Spektor is listed as an influence, that doesnt mean his music, lyrics etc should bare a resembalence to hers, it could mearly mean he has a respect for her as an artist and likes what she does.
p.s, could we do lunch? x
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:49 pm
I know that much has already been resolved here, but I just wanted to have my say.
1. People have been saying Dialysis can’t rap. Those people must have a very narrow view of what rap is. His rap doesnt focus on speed or cool catchy rhythms. His art is in the writing of beautiful poetry that presents truth and honesty. I guess its just a question of what you’re looking for in a musician - style or heart.
2. Viewing religion as something that has only done damage is a strange thing to do. Yes, on one side we have the crusades - but on the other side is the work of people like Mother Teressa and millions of others like her. Faith in God is as good or bad as the person who carries it.
3. Al Young said some pretty intense stuff in the original post. Starting by calling Ben an arsehole and ending by suggesting that he lacks intelligence - with a bunch of other insults in between. A guy should be careful talking about anyone like that - particularly when its someone who’s music has blessed thousands. I think an straight apology is in order! Criticising someone’s music is one thing, but attacking the man behind it is something different.
Alot of people seem to read this blog, so the writer should talk with a little more professionalism. Don’t slate a guy’s musical value based on his myspace page - take some time to talk about how he could improve! And it is pathetic to quote a guy’s lyrics wrongly - get your facts right to avoid looking like a fool who speaks before he thinks..
Al, I’m not trying to slate you, I just think you should be the one spotting a writer with a gift and *constructively* criticising so that the music scene in Birmingham will grow and evolve. You could do a lot of cool stuff with this blog, I hope you move past such petty, unhelpful writing.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Al.
If Ben (Mr.Dialysis) bothers you that much, why the hell did you go through his myspace page criticising and analysing each part of it. Only to find faults which lack substance and validity.
You’ll probably think up some convaluted, futile comeback to all of these comments concerning your bitchfit, but surely the fact that ‘Mr.Dialysis’ has had phenomenal success in his seemingly short musical career proves that you have a short following who agree with your negative opinion.
oh and, Bens right, he is one of the most down to earth people you can meet.
So until youve met him and realised your wrong, stay quiet yeah!?
Now do excuse me, Im going to harborne to get some dettol, whilst listening to regina spektor, eating Tuna, Sweetcorn, Tomato and Basil pasta (with cheese) and talk in bad grammar.
BYE!
March 25th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Boring old argument is boring, but I appreciate the way that you tackled it.
Plus, read newer articles and see something which you have clearly overlooked.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
what are you talking about mate youre a fucking dick. why go onto his page if you dont like his music? have u met ben before? if not, why not go meet him and then you might change your views on him, dont judge someone you dont even know you twat. find something better to do with your time than sit and criticise other peoples opinions and ways of life, because i suppose youre perfect yeah?
April 26th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
i havnt read the comment from 10+ but Al, Maybe his influence doesnt have the same style music as him, but as mr D said, shes his influence on different levels!
And why does it matter if Ben’s grammer isnt good, mines not, hes the one that is the local celebirty, does gigs.. and for the few times i’ve talked to him.. seems like a really cool guy! You can’t take his semi-celebrity title of him, in my eyes he is a semi-celebrity.. i listen to his music, think its good and i look up to him in some ways.
Rich.x
May 29th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Seriously man, take a look at yourself.
Your argument has no direction, meaning, and you probably have no mental stability.. taking a dig at him for being a Christian and being “insecure in his existence”. You may as well take a poke at him for having a first name, or having a mum.. There’s no need for some of the stuff you pointed out, its just meaningless shit that frankly no one cares about. Ben’s a decent guy, just like many other young musicians in this country that people don’t give a chance to.
I don’t mean to finish this so blunty, but I’ve got to agree with Rob, i suppose your perfect?
June 9th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
This Al Young bloke sounds like a TWAT!
Stop being so angry dude, its just music. You must have spent over 5 hours in this sqwibble writing your “hilarious” responses.
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March 17th, 2008 at 12:38 am
Who ever wrote this is just hating because he isnt even half as good at bitching as Mr dialysis is at rapping, all this will on promote him more, so well done.
maybe you should listen to Night Is Fallin and think about what youve just written about him not being a good rapper. so die. and yeah, you have an awful amount of time please get a life.
This guy was fucking SPOT ON!!!
Get a life Alex Young
July 20th, 2008 at 2:32 am
This site is a pile of bullshite, i like it how you have chatted shite about allot of bands and people i know…
I used to run a promotional page for the birmingham music scene and it includes all bands from all genere’s, shite was wrote, but not as much crap as you have wrote on your “blog” page..
Do you know ben in person?
Do you know any of my band Astro Reality in person?, and what you on about kid about to be wealthy you have to be born into wealth, yeh in unsucessfull eyes like yourself, my family came from the gutter slums of ireland with nouthing and naw my generation of our family and them have bigger bank digits than your phone number, i myself prolly have more money than your mom and dad put together…i never came from a wealthy family though, we made our wealth
And mate, i have seen a picture of you, i strongly advise you sort yourself out, you cant take the piss out of anyone, the way you are…
so go back naw and run to your momy and daddy in your nice well mannered english house hold, and stop being the big rebel on the internet, talking shite about people, see if you do it to peoples faces,
Dang if i see you in the street, i’d pay you to say what you have said on here to the peoples faces, see how big you are then
What you say
Mommys well spoken boy? aka Al young
P.s. dont reply to this, i wont ever read it, you should be honoured i and other poeple have even wrote on your crappy page
BTW do you have any friends? i bet you havent even got laid yet? or do you know what that is even?
July 20th, 2008 at 10:42 am
‘This site is a pile of bullshite’ - no, this site is a pile of opinion which you happen to disagree with.
Both points about meeting in person: what the fuck does that have to do with music/the contents of a MySpace page?
Being born into wealth: your family came over in the 1800s, I’m guessing? Social mobility has decreased greatly since them. Plus, the movement from the (generally) poor country of Ireland to the (generally) rich country of England in that time would have helped somewhat.
I wouldn’t know about your claims of parental bank balance: I never knew Daddy.
‘And mate, i have seen a picture of you, i strongly advise you sort yourself out, you cant take the piss out of anyone, the way you are…’ - Says the one with skunk hair? And yes, I am aware of my looking rather tragic, but at least I don’t bring up looks. Vanity isn’t becoming of most people.
’so go back naw and run to your momy and daddy in your nice well mannered english house hold’ - I live in Walsall, or in terms that you might understand, I rep the Redhouse estate in WS9. If you can find a single well-mannered household around here, I’d be surprised. I love how you mistake literacy for middle/upper-class descent.
As for the paying me to say things that I would say otherwise, go for it.
You will look back: the fact that you even posted this implies that you don’t have much better to do.
I do have friends, yes. I’m asexual, so sex isn’t really too big of an issue for me.
You moan about me judging people? You’re doing the same.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:23 am
LOL Mr D is quite good Al you are just a hater let me quess you are indie…
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August 5th, 2008 at 12:38 am
all you people who are putting ben ryan down as a crap artist are in my opinion pathetic.
your having a go because he has bad grammer in places on his profile, and saying he is pathetic because of this
but hes not u lot are
u r condemning a good/great rapper
this website is rubish
can the publisher of this stupid article even express themselves in the way ben ryan does…… no
waste-manz
sy
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